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on this episode of skeptico

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a show about finally getting some

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answers

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you made it here

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it was meant for us why what did we do

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whether we like those answers or not

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have we done this before

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humans have been around 400 000 years at

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least

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how many times has this happened

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the reason the gods destroy

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the tower is because

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humanity is about to discover something

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and the reason the gods say is that they

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will then become like us

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yes so i can't

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think too much about the space brothers

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aspect of this

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in that scenario

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that question

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in my mind raises a different question

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is consciousness or spirituality unique

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to mankind

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that first clip was from the movie

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prometheus the second was from our

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guests today ross kyle from the brothers

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of the serpent podcast

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and marty garza

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the ufo guru expert who is so so good at

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what he does

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stick around this is a classic classic

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skeptico

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics i'm your host alex secaris

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we welcome

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russ allen

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kyle allen

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creators of that oh so excellent

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brothers of the serpent podcast and we

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also welcome

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their honorary serpent brother

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marty garza

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so wow this is just uh you know we're

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just chatting a little bit i'm super

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excited to do this show

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these guys russ and kyle have a

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fantastic show it really is great

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kind of famous the show is for doing

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kind of things

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but a deep deep dive and a while back

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some people started

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turning me on to

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this series that they were doing on ufos

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which is a tiny bit out of their swing

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zone not exactly but they kept going hey

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man you gotta listen to this you gotta

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listen smartygar's a guy gotta listen

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gotta listen and i did and i gotta tell

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fantastic they are up to part nine at

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this point and

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i have done

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a lot of ufo shows with some pretty

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prominent people in the ufo community

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won't mention names this what they've

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super deep discussions super smart

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discussions tons of new information and

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particularly uh new connections that

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these guys are making that you might

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never have thought of so i really want

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to encourage you we'll just be able to

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touch on some of it as much as i can

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kind of pull out of these guys but

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go listen to these shows go listen to

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all their shows but if you're interested

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in ufos

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it's just amazing amazing stuff and i

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was chatting with marty

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probably a book will come out of this

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certainly hope so

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but in the meantime just uh

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ross kyle congratulations guys

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congratulations for bringing this

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to be here we we did some shows with you

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a while back and it's great to be back

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man thank you so much for the invitation

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really i mean congratulations to marty

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i didn't know anything about all this

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stuff so it's been it's been a

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a bit as well but this has all been new

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only experience of going down the ufo

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rabbit hole so thanks a lot marty yeah

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we can all the all the yeah all the um

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the compliments you just gave us really

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on the ufo episodes go to marty i mean

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but this dude has done the work you know

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he is such the master here but i want to

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like kyle i mean you you got an

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interesting perspective i love when

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you're calling [\h__\h] because you're

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calling [\h__\h] on so many of the

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calling [\h__\h] not like [\h__\h]

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project has kind of changed you shaped

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you interested you and pulled you into

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because again this isn't you know

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something that you're probably

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involved in at that level so let's start

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with let's start with kyle

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well all right this is i mean it's been

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very surprising on many levels

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um right off the right off the

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was all of the government involvement

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stuff that i was completely unaware of

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this is how deeply these you know people

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anecdotal accounts that's really where

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wholeheartedly what i really like about

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what marty's done is is

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dividing line here there's a dividing

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line over there and then

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things in some way where we can look

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to them deeper individually and that

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doesn't seem to be able to be done which

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is the problem not with that guy not

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with that guy next to you because

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no uh it's but but kind of kidding but

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kind of seriously because uh

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russ so much of what you're doing is

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kind of being open to kind of dissolving

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those lines and kind of throwing all

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that so how did you come about

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how has it come together for you and

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how did it even start maybe the origin

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of this and then did you think it was

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going to go this far did you see it

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going the directions that it has gone

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into all manner of just mysterious

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into ufos but really what really

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because it's far more it actually was it

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oh we're being visited by you know

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possible extraterrestrials that's

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there's aliens here and the government

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valley is saying no basically the source

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phenomena itself that was really that

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governments to keep secret that's kind

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of what they do it's almost part of

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marty and i just you know i'm he showed

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interactions with marty that he had a

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subject of ancient mysteries this fit i

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what would you say to coming on the show

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sometime

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and uh and let's do a ufo show and

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he agreed

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and it's turned into a nine part episode

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and there's no end in sight which is

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exactly what we want you know he won't

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tell us what's really going on yeah

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he's like we'll get to that later

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so he leaves us with questions every

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time but of course that's really the

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nature of our show is is is

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more than looking for answers is looking

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for the right questions and marty is

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great at doing that

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well you know that that origin story is

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so

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fitting for brothers of the serpent and

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what you guys have done in the community

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really and in so many kind of subtle

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little unique ways but you

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i don't think a lot of people can

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appreciate this but i appreciate the

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[\h__\h] out of the fact that you got a

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community and you so trust that

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community that you can turn to that

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community and say no this is a genuine

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legit guy and he deserves to be on the

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show and he's on the show once and he

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passes the test he's on the show again

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and i think that's so hard for people to

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you know there's all these ideas of what

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will i see and you know

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what's his profile like and what's his

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you know what's his following like and

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all the rest of that and credit to you

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guys for feeling

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i guess secure enough in what you know

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and what you've put together

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to say no this is this is legit

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so

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marty from new york is still taking the

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test

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absolutely well

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well played kyle completely completely

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so uh so marty what was it like

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what was it like for you

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uh coming in doing this

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if people it's gonna be hard for people

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who haven't heard any of this because

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they're not going to really

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we're kind of talking about something

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they don't know what it is but again

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let me just recap really briefly you

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know nine episodes each one is at least

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two hours some of them are over three

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hours packed packed wall-to-wall with

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stuff and uh you know what are some of

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the ones uh part one part two uh 162 166

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173 these are just the numbers of show

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numbers

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part four the others part 5 213 a

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history of unlikely coincidences

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which had to be followed up with 214

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part two of part six a history of

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unlikely clinics is part two

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and then 224 d

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constructing demons

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225

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an overview conversation where they go

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back and go okay

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those of you this is about this two

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years in the making this series uh for

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those of you haven't followed on let's

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catch you up to date and then most

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recently 238

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part nine

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revelations which starts getting into

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the deep waters of

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trying to understand

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this all tying it all together but at

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this

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consciousness level but at the same time

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this nuanced well we can't just be on

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the consciousness level we also have to

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be on the nuts and bolts level we have

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to be on the conspiratorial governmental

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level we have to be on

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world government level all that stuff so

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marty just a little bit about how this

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origin of this thing comes from you how

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you

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able to kind of bring to us

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okay there was so much said

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in setting this up that there are some

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there are a few things i have to address

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i may bring some

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information some data to the table but

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it's really it's really the show in

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other words russ and kyle have built a

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show

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that is like the perfect venue

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to be able to have this type of a

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discussion

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with a following of individuals that

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you you feel comfortable

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going

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deep into the weeds on

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details that

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they're not uh

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pedestrian level they're not simple

396
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conversations they're

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they're for people

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thoughtful individuals who

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have an open mind are willing to listen

401
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to things that might make them feel

402
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uncomfortable

403
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at certain points

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um

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and without going i'm sure we're going

406
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to get into the finer details of it um

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but

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one thing that i think that makes the

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show quite different or our approach

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because you know i view this as we're a

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team and i think this our approach to

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the phenomenon what makes it different

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is that we

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we go in and anybody that listens to the

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show knows we go into the

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earning our certificate of ignorance

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um

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i think a lot of the

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hundreds or thousands of other podcasts

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and

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the phenomenon

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tend to go into it

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with a perspective of knowing

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they're convinced of a certain

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a certain aspect of the phenomenon

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and really try to dwell on it and hammer

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it home without

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consideration for any

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data that might

430
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conflict with that um

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so we go in saying let's just present

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data

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let's pitch some ideas back and forth

434
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what what could account for this and how

435
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do these things

436
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correlate with other things

437
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that might be going on

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um

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during the show we talk about

440
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at one at one point

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how

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rather than

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debating individual cases because

444
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any case could be argued forever there's

445
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there is no

446
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definitive case that can't be

447
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scrutinized and debated

448
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so rather than in creating a show

449
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where we're simply debating individual

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cases

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i said let's just start putting data out

452
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let's let's put data into this database

453
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and let's look for patterns within this

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data

455
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when you start discussing enough cases

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let's say a certain percentage of them

457
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might be

458
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misidentifications or

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hoaxes or whatever once you're plugging

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this into a

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database of significant size

463
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those

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important than the overall in other

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words the patterns start emerging and

466
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they're more significant than the

467
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individual

468
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case

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i'm very hesitant to hang

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the entire phenomenon on one particular

471
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case or another i think for example the

472
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nimitz tic tac case is a very good

473
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example of this

474
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yeah i think you know what i think

475
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there's also another way to take that

476
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you know where i was going to kick this

477
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off and then uh

478
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russ you already kind of hit on it a

479
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little bit but i'd go all the way back

480
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to episode one

481
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and right at the beginning you guys have

482
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this kind of great back and forth and

483
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then you all kind of break down and

484
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laugh about this point and it's such a

485
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profound point and i think it ties into

486
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what marty was saying but you say hey

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one thing you realize when you get into

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this is

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everybody's lying

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first of all and this is like such a

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great the phenomenon is lying

492
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they're lying it's lying whatever it is

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this intelligence

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we know enough to pretty confidently say

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it could reveal itself if it wanted to

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and it doesn't so it's lying it's in

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deception if then you go one step

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further you go hey the government slash

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control mechanism whatever you want to

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call it is lying clearly they're lying

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and their intent they've developed a

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whole science of lying you know and

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that's what i think relates to what

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marty was just saying is because i kind

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of take it one step further it's not

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that just that one case can be debated

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it's the fact that that's one of the

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tools in their playbook you know i just

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was hearing this the other day you know

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you take a case and you take three

511
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eyewitnesses that all say the same one

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and you debunk each one of them

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separately and you never combine this is

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a tool in the playbook but then to get

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back on track and i'm gonna have to stay

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on track here because there's so much

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stuff but the third leg of that lying

518
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thing that i think is really really deep

519
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is that we're lying to ourselves

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that's what i heard you guys say in

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episode one so we're lying to ourselves

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and i think that goes really deep

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because

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you know

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you you see that all the data that's

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come at us

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and most of us can't deal with it can't

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process it at least right away myself

529
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included and now i've been at it for a

530
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while it's easier to take it in but if

531
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you roll back the clock

532
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i think we can all go back to a place

533
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where we're like

534
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i can't go there and i thought that was

535
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such a great insight for you guys to set

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the stage and everyone can kind of drop

537
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their shoulders and go okay everyone's

538
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trying to lie to me with that now i have

539
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to try and find the truth

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any thoughts on that from any of you

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guys

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yeah that's that's

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yes that is a good point that the um

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uh and i guess you're just bringing up a

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point that we initially made which is

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that that and this is kind of what marty

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was saying about the certificate of

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ignorance this is sort of a we've

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developed this as a philosophy for our

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show in general is that let's try let's

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tackle these subjects

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from the best of our ability

553
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just coming in acknowledging you know

554
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what we don't know anything like we you

555
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know we have no idea what's going on

556
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here so let's try to look at this as

557
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freshly as possible

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and that's

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that's part of that you know realizing

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that the phenomena is lying to us or is

561
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being deceptive that government and

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other large organizations powerful

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organizations are lying to us about it

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and being deceptive and then our own

565
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our own normal natural inability to sort

566
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of take in information that is far

567
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outside of anything you normally

568
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experience is part of the deception

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sometimes it seems like the phenomena

570
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:48,320
itself you know valet points this out

571
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:50,159
that there is

572
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:52,880
a a purposeful almost seemingly you

573
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:54,799
can't say this for sure but a seemingly

574
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,080
purposeful injection of absurdity

575
00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:00,480
into the phenomena itself which is kind

576
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:03,440
of part of how the deception works you

577
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:05,039
know i do remember what you're just

578
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:06,159
talking about

579
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,440
when i was first looking into these

580
00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:10,000
topics and i'm reading case after case

581
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:12,159
in books or on websites or whatever and

582
00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:13,440
sometimes you come across one you're

583
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:14,840
just like

584
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:18,000
what what is this even you know and you

585
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:19,679
you just can't even you can't even

586
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:22,240
digest it because it's so strange and so

587
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,080
yes the the purposeful injection of

588
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:26,400
absurdity is part of it you're right and

589
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:28,640
that makes us lie to ourselves or in a

590
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:31,039
way deceive ourselves about the topic so

591
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:32,799
this is kind of

592
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:35,120
what our own you know certificate of

593
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:36,640
ignorance philosophy on our show is

594
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,240
supposed to help us do is just to say

595
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,480
let's just get rid of all the ideas of

596
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,240
what is or isn't absurd and just say

597
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:44,480
let's look at the information and marty

598
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:46,159
of course is fantastic at bringing the

599
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:47,280
data

600
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:48,240
and that's what the shows have been

601
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:49,840
about we go through the data and then we

602
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:51,600
talk about the cases and of course marty

603
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:53,919
i think has a general idea of the

604
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:55,840
direction he's going

605
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:57,360
and kyle and i are always trying to like

606
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:58,960
take four or five steps past him and

607
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,480
then he tells us no

608
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:02,159
that's that's how most of the episodes

609
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,960
go

610
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:04,400
is that what do you think mark but you

611
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:06,080
also have to get rid of your biases

612
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:07,679
right yeah i mean this is right this is

613
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:09,200
the way that i lie to myself all the

614
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:10,960
time i have this bias and i'm like well

615
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:12,880
i need to be able to explain

616
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:14,720
this thing with physics

617
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:17,120
or with you know something that that i

618
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,880
can work with that i have knowledge of

619
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:20,240
or that i've

620
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,880
learned and uh in some cases that just

621
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:24,960
doesn't happen and

622
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:27,840
that is tough to accept when you've got

623
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:29,520
especially when you have corroborating

624
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:30,640
evidence

625
00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:32,000
and things that come together that's

626
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:34,400
like okay so you know if i'm going to

627
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:36,559
accept that this happened and i have

628
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:37,440
no

629
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:40,480
tools to use with which to deconstruct

630
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:42,080
it or to

631
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:43,760
explain it in any way and it's just like

632
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:45,679
that

633
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:47,760
totally ignorant of what's going on yeah

634
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:49,840
the the deception

635
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:53,280
there are deceptions at many layers

636
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,400
in addition

637
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:55,919
to

638
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,480
the deception on the part of

639
00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:00,559
government agencies

640
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,919
um

641
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,200
you have

642
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:05,919
reporting bias

643
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:08,320
an example of this is jay allen hein who

644
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:10,720
was the science advisor for

645
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,280
for project blue book right

646
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:15,600
he noted this um

647
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:18,880
as he was getting into into the 1960s

648
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:20,960
the latter part of the latter part of

649
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:25,039
blue book and you know as

650
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:26,960
for those that may not know this he he

651
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:29,360
started off as a skeptic when when he

652
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:31,840
was hired on to blue book but he became

653
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,280
a believer based on what he saw

654
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:37,919
and uh he eventually came to the

655
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:40,159
realization that

656
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,440
a significant portion of the reports

657
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:45,840
were being filtered out because they

658
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:48,320
were absurd

659
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:50,799
they did not conform to

660
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:52,480
the

661
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,840
standard model of what a ufo

662
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:57,360
should be

663
00:24:02,710 --> 00:23:59,919
now there may be

664
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:02,720
there may be other reasons there may

665
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:06,080
that you know the easy reason

666
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,360
it would be

667
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,200
it's too strange

668
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,279
it would discredit the uh the

669
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:13,039
individuals making the reports it would

670
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:15,919
discredit uh you know a lot of times the

671
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:17,919
police officers which were generally the

672
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:19,360
first line

673
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:21,760
whenever there was an incident generally

674
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:23,440
that gets called into the police

675
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:24,960
department and the police would go and

676
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,200
do an interview conduct an interview

677
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,360
with the witness and then that would be

678
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:31,279
forwarded on to

679
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,960
the air force who would forward it on to

680
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,120
blue hold on let's let's jump right to

681
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,279
the chase with heinek do you think part

682
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:39,679
of the reason they picked that guy

683
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:41,760
was because they thought he would

684
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,039
go the way that he went and then

685
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,440
eventually he flips and he becomes but

686
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,120
don't you think kind of those guys are

687
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:49,200
smart and they know that type and they

688
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:50,559
know that guy is

689
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,000
you know what i mean do you think oh

690
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:54,000
yeah there there were there were

691
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:55,840
deceptions there

692
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:57,919
there again this is complex you pointed

693
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:00,559
out one for example one one way that

694
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,279
they were deceptive is they would not uh

695
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:05,840
corroborate the incidents let's say you

696
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,200
had a sighting where there were

697
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:11,679
three different individuals at different

698
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,279
locations that had an observation

699
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,279
if you look through the booba

700
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,760
files you'll find that they'll have one

701
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,760
explanation for one a completely

702
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:24,000
different explanation for another

703
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,440
and they never

704
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:27,200
corroborate that information

705
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,919
cross-reference it and go okay we have

706
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:31,840
a triangulated sighting for all

707
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:33,440
intensive purposes

708
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,559
so that

709
00:25:38,590 --> 00:25:36,240
that negates

710
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:38,600
the argument that these were

711
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:41,440
mis-mis-identifications for example so

712
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,760
that's one form that's one form of

713
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,679
deception i'm going to hammer on that a

714
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:47,600
little bit more pardon me for for

715
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,600
outside but here's the point because

716
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,840
that kind of deception really takes us

717
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,679
in a whole different direction in a lot

718
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,440
of ways and it's like

719
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,360
you have to be kind of

720
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,440
shook out of it and that's why i i like

721
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:00,960
what kyle was saying you know it's like

722
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:02,480
we're all doing that we're all going

723
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:04,240
down the path that we know with that we

724
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,120
want to trust rely on no physics works i

725
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:09,360
know you know i can build trucks i can

726
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,840
do this i can play in my band i can tune

727
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:13,919
my thing and everything and then you

728
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,080
know get shipped out of it here was like

729
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:18,240
a great example that you gave marty i

730
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:20,080
thought this was just phenomenal it just

731
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:21,440
kind of shakes you right to it you go

732
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:22,480
hey

733
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:24,960
if there were strange

734
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:27,200
figures walking around at night in your

735
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,400
backyard

736
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:30,720
you would be concerned

737
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,400
if your neighbors saw strange beings or

738
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,640
things walking around in your backyard

739
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:38,720
they would be concerned if the police

740
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:41,120
saw strange they would be conserved if

741
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:43,039
you were lived next to a military base

742
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:44,320
and they

743
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,360
if you saw strange beings walking

744
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:49,919
there would be concern and yet there's

745
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,400
this kind of level of mind control that

746
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:55,120
we've fallen into as part of this thing

747
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:56,960
and it you don't know if it's part of

748
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:58,960
the phenomena that slipped over into the

749
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,360
government control system or if it is

750
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:03,440
just the government control system or if

751
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,960
they're all blended together and those

752
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:06,400
are the kind of nuances that you guys

753
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:08,720
deal with but it's like what you pointed

754
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,600
out is

755
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,679
take a step back people that's

756
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:13,200
ridiculous

757
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:14,720
because what they're telling us over and

758
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:17,279
over again is oh don't worry about that

759
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,240
there's nothing there move on the lack

760
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:22,640
of the lack of reaction

761
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:23,679
is

762
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:26,880
illustrative as well

763
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:30,320
in other words it suggests and

764
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:31,919
i'm getting ahead of myself here a

765
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,669
the government has generally not denied

766
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:41,840
the existence of ufos if you get down to

767
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:43,679
the details right they

768
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,120
they say

769
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,440
they none of the reports

770
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:49,679
have indicated a threat to national

771
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:51,200
security

772
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,960
but then we come to find out that there

773
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,720
have been incidents where these things

774
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:55,919
have been

775
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:59,120
observed over nuclear facilities over

776
00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:00,000
you know

777
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,840
military facilities and all things where

778
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,360
they're in clear

779
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,520
there are clear clearly national

780
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:07,440
security implications

781
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:11,840
but yet we see no reaction and we see

782
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,600
um you know a military's position isn't

783
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:18,000
let's wait and see what happens that's

784
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:19,600
not the way it works

785
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,159
they have to assume that it's hostile

786
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:24,720
until proven otherwise right you don't

787
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:27,520
go flying into restricted airspace

788
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,320
and then just to and maybe they're not

789
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:32,720
hostile or maybe they're not taking

790
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,200
pictures of our secret facilities right

791
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:37,440
you you take them down you don't respond

792
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,799
we don't know who you are you don't have

793
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:40,880
a transponder we're taking you out and

794
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:43,039
oh if it was somebody that ventured in

795
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:47,039
by accident that's how the chips fall so

796
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:51,200
when we see a lack of of

797
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:53,200
the development of the ability to

798
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:56,320
protect us from such things

799
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,200
that

800
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:59,919
must surely be saying something

801
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:01,600
is it that they

802
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:04,880
know what it is and it's theirs and it's

803
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:07,120
so they're playing the game that we

804
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:08,960
don't know what it is it's you know it's

805
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:11,279
uh maybe it's a ufo

806
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,720
or

807
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,640
do they know exactly what it is and if

808
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:16,320
there's not a damn thing they could do

809
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:18,080
about it

810
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:18,960
or

811
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:23,279
do you think

812
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,159
well

813
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:26,559
we can back up to

814
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:29,600
roughly 1949 to maybe start getting an

815
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:33,279
idea of what might be going on

816
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,159
you know

817
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:36,000
the the general public has been led to

818
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:37,760
believe that all of this started with

819
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,840
the roswell and the kenneth arnold

820
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,520
signing but the truth of the matter is

821
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:43,360
there were already there was already a

822
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:44,640
ufo

823
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,480
investigation uh as early as 1944 um

824
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,559
they were investigating in fact h.p

825
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,799
robertson was later

826
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,399
headed the uh

827
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:55,919
robertson pen

828
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:58,240
was tasked to investigate foo fighters

829
00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:00,000
during the war too

830
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,919
so we also

831
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,520
come to find out that there was the

832
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,760
crash at trinity

833
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:07,360
and a

834
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,440
of recovery

835
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:11,600
then 47 we have the kenneth arnold

836
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:12,880
sighting

837
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:15,919
shortly after we have the roswell crash

838
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:17,200
we have

839
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,559
a release of a statement saying we've

840
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,360
recovered a crashed disc and then they

841
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:25,200
backpedal and claim oh no it was a

842
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:28,159
weather balloon and all

843
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:29,440
we get

844
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,799
project sign

845
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:32,159
okay the military's going to do

846
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,440
something about this to get to the

847
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:35,200
bottom of it

848
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:39,200
but when this started hitting the media

849
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,480
we had

850
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:42,559
sydney charlotte write a couple of

851
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:43,919
articles for

852
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:44,640
the

853
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:47,760
saturday saturday evening post

854
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:51,200
later on we have bob gina write a huge

855
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,600
article for life magazine

856
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,440
and there and these things are saying

857
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:57,679
you know have we have we visitors from

858
00:31:03,029 --> 00:30:59,679
space

859
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,039
and you're saying oh the these these

860
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:05,120
you know reporters are digging up dirt

861
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:05,919
they're

862
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,080
government's lying to us and that maybe

863
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,080
there really are extraterrestrials

864
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:13,760
visiting earth

865
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:16,000
can i throw something out here sure real

866
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:17,679
quick i'm sorry to take you off course

867
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,000
but that i think it was a life magazine

868
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,159
article that was they were urging people

869
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:24,559
to come forward with their accounts

870
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:27,519
and you won't be ridiculed remember this

871
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:29,200
absolutely and this and then we see this

872
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:31,039
stuff going on in modern times with the

873
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:32,399
government and stuff and they're telling

874
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,679
everybody okay we're looking into this

875
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,919
and i'm like oh god here we go again

876
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:37,840
so so hold up just real quick where

877
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:38,960
where are you taking that because

878
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:41,200
there's two ways to take it one is that

879
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:42,799
they're looking for people to out

880
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,080
themselves

881
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,399
yes so that they can yeah okay

882
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,159
yeah they're telling you we're not going

883
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:50,000
to ridicule you and yet you find out

884
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:51,679
that they were that's what they did for

885
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:54,080
the next several decades every account

886
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:56,080
that came forward got ridiculed to

887
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,720
ridiculous degrees to where the person's

888
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:00,960
life was ruined to make my point

889
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:03,840
in 1956 edward ruppel

890
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,880
who was

891
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,960
heading

892
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:08,559
project blue book

893
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:10,960
writes his book and he discloses that

894
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:13,200
sydney charlotte and bob gina were being

895
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:16,399
fed information by the air force

896
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:18,240
they were a psyop

897
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:19,360
they were

898
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:20,799
purposely

899
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,240
seeding the concept of extraterrestrials

900
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:26,320
into

901
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,360
the public mindset while they were

902
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,200
also denying

903
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:33,440
that they were investigating

904
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,480
so

905
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,120
it was like pay no mind

906
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,760
to the object i'm holding behind my back

907
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:41,760
i believe it's that

908
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,720
they may have already figured out that

909
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:46,080
this was

910
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:49,120
maybe more complex than that

911
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:51,600
there were signs if you take like for

912
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:53,600
example i know you had a conversation

913
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:56,240
with grant cameron which talks about the

914
00:33:02,630 --> 00:32:57,679
uh

915
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,640
memo where he talks about

916
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:04,720
um a program

917
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:06,640
that was more secure than

918
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:10,320
than the h-bomb in the united states and

919
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:15,039
it mentions that they think it may have

920
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:17,039
uh psychic or

921
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:19,840
or uh i try cam trying to remember the

922
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,559
exact terminology mental phenomenon is

923
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,399
what's in

924
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,360
that was very early on

925
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:29,200
so well there's there's a lot of

926
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:32,640
speculation probably true that mk ultra

927
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:34,880
one of the agendas was

928
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,640
not just that the

929
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,720
the russians are reading

930
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:40,880
our minds but e.t is reading our mind

931
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:43,519
too so but so so i'm going to try and

932
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:46,159
kind of pin this down i mean and we'll

933
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:47,440
start with you murdering then i want to

934
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,279
hear russ so net net it's it's all a

935
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,600
psyop we get that you know from the

936
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,360
strawberry ice cream and the richard

937
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,200
dodie and i don't know why the hell

938
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,600
anyone would even listen to lou elizondo

939
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:01,200
from the beginning i'm like this is

940
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:03,279
obviously a political psyop but it got

941
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:05,440
all this traction stuff like that anyone

942
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:06,880
who's looked at this history like you

943
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,440
guys have psyopsiopsia mind control my

944
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:11,280
control but what's the point of it i

945
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,560
think is the

946
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:14,639
is where we're trying to get what does

947
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,399
that mean are they because you could

948
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,240
make the argument ultimately that's the

949
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,879
right call to make you know

950
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:22,399
that's what you would do or i would do

951
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:25,200
in that situation what's the net net for

952
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,200
you in terms of

953
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:28,800
the way they're handling though the

954
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:32,000
psyope way that they're handling this

955
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:34,000
go ahead marty okay i thought he was

956
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:35,679
asking you ross no i think he's asking

957
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:36,800
you and then me

958
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,599
all right

959
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,520
you jump in russ you jump in russ and

960
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:41,839
let marty off the hook for a minute okay

961
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,320
i uh i would have to say i have no idea

962
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:46,879
i do think that there

963
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:49,280
i have this this

964
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,480
uh i don't know what you call it just

965
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:52,159
this way of thinking where

966
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:53,839
i try to remind myself that when it

967
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,040
looks like somebody's doing something

968
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:57,359
that does makes absolutely no sense all

969
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:58,720
that means is i don't know what their

970
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:01,359
motives and reasons are uh it looks

971
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,960
completely nonsensical and you're like

972
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,800
what the hell are they doing but really

973
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:06,960
they have reasons even if they don't

974
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:09,280
know them sometimes that's the case but

975
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:10,480
so

976
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:13,280
i do think that

977
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:14,160
any

978
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,520
government people who seem to be

979
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,960
involved in this

980
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:20,960
they have their reasons and they

981
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,480
probably make sense to them with all of

982
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:24,160
their motivations so come on come on

983
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:25,760
come on speculate a little bit when your

984
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:28,160
mind goes there what do you think what

985
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,680
do you think what do you think some of

986
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,440
those reasons might be

987
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:32,880
okay they could be just freaking

988
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:35,760
terrified that's that's one reason is

989
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,280
that they are afraid of it and they

990
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:39,040
don't want you know this is this is

991
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,480
probably the most open and easiest thing

992
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:42,240
to think of is that they're afraid of it

993
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:44,240
and they don't want the public to also

994
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:46,000
know what's really going on yeah because

995
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:47,119
they don't know what's going on

996
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,800
especially when you go back to world war

997
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,720
ii and you think about the the powers

998
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,240
and the threats that were happening and

999
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,720
the the secret technology that was being

1000
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:56,000
developed

1001
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,160
there is a level of like you know

1002
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:02,240
if you're if if the government is seeing

1003
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:03,680
something and they think it like what

1004
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,320
marty was pointing out this is hostile

1005
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:09,119
they're gonna have to dig into it right

1006
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,320
if they find out that this is far beyond

1007
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:14,240
you know some other nation or maybe they

1008
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:16,160
never really know

1009
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:17,440
but they think like okay this is

1010
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:19,040
definitely not any of our enemies at

1011
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,880
this time but then we're also developing

1012
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,240
secret stuff and we're not wanting that

1013
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:24,000
to get out but then we've got reports

1014
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:25,680
from people coming in

1015
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,920
and they're encouraging the reports

1016
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:29,599
bring us reports because they need

1017
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:30,800
information

1018
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:32,160
you can see that they're being pulled

1019
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:33,440
from so many different directions they

1020
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:35,040
might be getting onto something and then

1021
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:36,880
finally it's like okay we just found out

1022
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:39,680
something pull back it was a psy up and

1023
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:41,200
so they're actually pretending it was a

1024
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:42,320
psyop

1025
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,320
yeah when it wasn't because they found

1026
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,240
something else out about it or maybe you

1027
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:48,160
see what i'm saying it's like

1028
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:50,079
and where does it stop especially with

1029
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,160
the government because they're they do

1030
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:54,960
have real threats and they have to keep

1031
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:58,000
secrets so it i can see how

1032
00:37:02,069 --> 00:36:59,760
it could get really tricky in some

1033
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:02,079
places you know yeah yeah it can get

1034
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,160
tricky but i i d what i was trying to

1035
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,400
say was that i think that it's

1036
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,560
it may be possible to try to look at the

1037
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,560
actions of these people

1038
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,119
and sort of reverse engineer what they

1039
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,520
think about the phenomena itself but i'm

1040
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:17,680
not as interested in that as i am in

1041
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:19,839
just looking at the phenomena

1042
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,960
itself

1043
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,400
and that's even harder because the

1044
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,320
phenomena also seems to be deceptive and

1045
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:26,320
how how in the hell could you possibly

1046
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,839
imagine that you could reverse engineer

1047
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,680
the reasons for that

1048
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:30,880
you know but there's plenty of people

1049
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:32,079
like oh yeah you know they hide

1050
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:33,200
themselves from us because we aren't

1051
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:34,880
ready yet you know it's like the whole

1052
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:36,560
star trek sort of

1053
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:38,800
uh what is that thing they called the

1054
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:41,119
prime directive right so

1055
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:43,359
but to me i'm looking at our own

1056
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,359
government people which are human beings

1057
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,520
and there they have these convoluted

1058
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:49,280
possible reasons for what they're doing

1059
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:51,599
and we have no way of disentangling them

1060
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,640
probably

1061
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:54,240
and to imagine that we can do that with

1062
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,000
whatever this other thing is doing i

1063
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,480
just don't think it's possible but

1064
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:59,920
i don't have a problem with sitting with

1065
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,599
a mystery

1066
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:03,119
i understand that there are just going

1067
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,880
to be questions and sometimes they're

1068
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,160
never going to be able to be answered

1069
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,240
but i still like to explore them because

1070
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,640
i want the question i like to

1071
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:12,560
to try to narrow the question down to

1072
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:14,720
where it's the right question

1073
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:17,280
so i i guess this probably annoys people

1074
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,960
but i'm not always looking for answers

1075
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:20,800
what i really am interested in is let's

1076
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:22,480
explore the data let's look at the

1077
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:24,079
broadest possible

1078
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,920
grouping of the information see if we

1079
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:27,839
see patterns see if that makes us able

1080
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:30,160
to say ah now i can sort of recognize

1081
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:31,760
some things and maybe i can come to some

1082
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,920
conclusions but really what i'm doing is

1083
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,000
i'm trying to identify what is what's

1084
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,920
happened to people

1085
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:40,079
you know and what's going on and that is

1086
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,200
a question that just isn't going to be

1087
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:43,280
able to be answered i don't think

1088
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:46,560
marty how evil do you think the psyop is

1089
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:47,599
well

1090
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:51,119
i i think maybe i should clarify one one

1091
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:53,920
thing about messiah is the psyop in my

1092
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:55,040
opinion

1093
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:57,680
isn't that the phenomenon doesn't exist

1094
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,880
i think the psyop might be to hide the

1095
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:02,720
fact that they didn't know what they

1096
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:04,400
were necessarily dealing with that

1097
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:06,800
that's one aspect because

1098
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,960
like like russ just pointed out we

1099
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:11,200
there's no way that we could

1100
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:13,760
try to understand the motivations or

1101
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:16,880
actions of a non-human intelligence but

1102
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:19,760
we don't know humans pretty well and we

1103
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,560
we have a history of

1104
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:24,560
seeing what the government is capable of

1105
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:26,960
doing and has done so

1106
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:29,520
we can reverse engineer those actions

1107
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:30,560
right

1108
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:31,839
but

1109
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:34,480
the phenomenon itself

1110
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,440
um then you as you you know you've heard

1111
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:39,520
we've got we've gone to great lengths to

1112
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:41,119
explain how

1113
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,000
there appears to be a pattern of conduct

1114
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:46,640
that goes over millennia

1115
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,040
it's not really acting any differently

1116
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:51,599
today than it ever has

1117
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,920
it's simply our interpretation of it

1118
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:55,599
that has changed

1119
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:59,599
and it and the phenomenon has this

1120
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:00,800
this

1121
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,720
strange ability to

1122
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:04,560
present itself

1123
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,079
in in such a form that it

1124
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:10,880
it tends to cater to our

1125
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:13,440
individual sensitivities

1126
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,240
um and i think it it's always been that

1127
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:18,640
way that's why they've been interpreted

1128
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:20,560
throughout history

1129
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:22,880
in so many different ways

1130
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:24,960
and i don't know that uh

1131
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,599
we've explained that yet but

1132
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,599
in in the series we're trying to make

1133
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:32,079
connections or i'm trying to make an

1134
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,319
argument for the fact that

1135
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:36,160
these

1136
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:39,280
spirits and

1137
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:41,760
angels and uh

1138
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,560
you name it you know that the fae

1139
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:46,560
and all these different uh

1140
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:49,440
paranormal type things are all connected

1141
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:50,560
in some way

1142
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,359
um

1143
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:53,760
again watching their conduct not

1144
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,000
necessarily their appearance

1145
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,640
but the messages that are related the

1146
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,480
types of encounters

1147
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:02,640
i think that they're very fundamental to

1148
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:05,359
who we are as a species

1149
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,839
let me throw a good old mk ultra log on

1150
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:09,680
the fire because i think you guys are

1151
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:10,640
all

1152
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,160
too warm-hearted you have too much of

1153
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:14,880
that texas kind of love going on

1154
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:17,280
i have a darker darker look at this you

1155
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:18,720
ever heard of

1156
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:20,640
mk ultra

1157
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:23,440
subproject 39.

1158
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:25,280
so i know you haven't because i never

1159
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:27,119
had it no one has

1160
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:28,560
this

1161
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,480
like documented like

1162
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,720
they sued a bunch of people people went

1163
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:36,480
to jail and all this [\h__\h] so that the

1164
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:38,400
documents come out

1165
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:39,440
they were

1166
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,960
working with

1167
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:43,440
mind controlling and trying to figure

1168
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:45,920
out how to take

1169
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,960
um

1170
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:48,480
serial killers

1171
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,520
most of whom had you know sexual serial

1172
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,599
killers who were in jail maximum

1173
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:55,680
security and they wanted to work with

1174
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,040
and try and do their you know

1175
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:01,680
sirhan sirhan version

1176
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,520
7.8 which is kind of interesting to

1177
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,000
think think how long ago

1178
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,839
sirhan sirhan

1179
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,680
did that thing

1180
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:11,760
and then think like you guys sometimes

1181
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,560
talk about like uh uh era airplane

1182
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,480
technology you know and like

1183
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:18,400
this one back there imagine what we have

1184
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:21,920
now hey imagine from that level if they

1185
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,760
could do that to sirhan sirhan in 1960s

1186
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:27,680
what level of mind control have they

1187
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:31,599
mastered we know e.t has a level of mind

1188
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,359
control that's like

1189
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:35,680
super duper we don't know how far it is

1190
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,280
and then we see these guys doing this

1191
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,599
stuff with serial killers in jail and

1192
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:41,760
then trying to hide their tracks what

1193
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,319
wouldn't they do so to think that they

1194
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:47,280
would you know so i can buy into part of

1195
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:49,280
what you're saying kyle is there's some

1196
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:51,040
honest good people there that they

1197
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:52,720
didn't know they're military guys

1198
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:54,000
they're trying to do their job and then

1199
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,359
they find out and they're scared and

1200
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:56,960
they're trying to protect but there's

1201
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:57,920
some

1202
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:01,520
evil mo foes in this thing that will do

1203
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:04,560
anything that will be uh attracted to

1204
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:07,520
the evil that they're finding in

1205
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,800
et that is just as malevolent as we are

1206
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,400
here and

1207
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:14,480
that's what the data is showing and you

1208
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:16,000
know just one other little tidbit i have

1209
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,920
to throw out because it's another great

1210
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:19,760
little tidbit i picked up from this

1211
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:23,680
series and i use all the time is it's um

1212
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,640
scientology l ron hubbard guy he goes oh

1213
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,119
mind control that's easy you know here's

1214
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,720
what i'm working on that's kind of more

1215
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,880
difficult and you know yeah summoning

1216
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,319
satan and all the rest of that that's

1217
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:36,480
hard mind control and all these that's a

1218
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,079
piece of cake

1219
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:40,160
i don't think i was to get to say this

1220
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:41,839
and i think i think the guys will

1221
00:43:44,430 --> 00:43:43,359
appreciate this

1222
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:44,440
we'll get to that

1223
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:47,920
[Laughter]

1224
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:49,599
yeah there it is i think you'll find the

1225
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:51,760
next i think you'll find the next couple

1226
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:55,440
of episodes very interesting alex

1227
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:58,240
um i think we're going to go very very

1228
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,000
deep into that rabbit hole probably a

1229
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,880
lot deeper than you would expect

1230
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,400
do you think these guys are going to are

1231
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:06,400
you guys going to come along for us kyle

1232
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:08,240
are you coming along with the yeah we're

1233
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:09,520
alone

1234
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:10,400
but look

1235
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,880
if you i'm i did stick up for some

1236
00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:14,319
government people there for a little bit

1237
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:16,880
so just uh take it easy on me oh boy

1238
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,839
but

1239
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,680
yeah i didn't mention the part where you

1240
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,440
know the guys that decide to bring about

1241
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:23,359
the antichrist out in the desert i'm

1242
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:25,760
just like screw you you're an [\h__\h]

1243
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,760
yeah you know those there's plenty of

1244
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:29,280
those people and i get what you're

1245
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:30,720
saying alex you're just trying to point

1246
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:32,560
out that there's that there's evil

1247
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,760
involved in this as well and you're

1248
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:35,280
totally right yeah and

1249
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:36,720
and you have to take that into account

1250
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:37,599
because

1251
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,280
again when you're when you're trying to

1252
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:40,880
look at the actions of government people

1253
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,440
and non-governmental people you know

1254
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,880
we're not always talking about people in

1255
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,240
the government uh

1256
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:48,480
like l ron hubbard but you're

1257
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:50,079
you have to take into account that some

1258
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,000
people are really

1259
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,800
evil they're bad you know and and that

1260
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:56,240
they will do and given enough power

1261
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:57,520
they'll do really bad stuff and so

1262
00:45:01,430 --> 00:45:00,079
you're your point there that you know

1263
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,440
that they were messing with mind control

1264
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,440
technology a long time ago and what are

1265
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:05,760
they doing now it's a good question yeah

1266
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,880
it is

1267
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,960
well particularly i think how it relates

1268
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:10,560
to this conversation and you guys have

1269
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,839
brought this

1270
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,599
you know i i hear you marty you got some

1271
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:15,440
more cards that you're holding close to

1272
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:19,520
your vest but there is no doubt that

1273
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,119
the the malevolence of the phenomenon

1274
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:25,040
is somewhat of a question mark but we

1275
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:27,920
can nail down some of it i mean some of

1276
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,040
it you can't walk past the you know i

1277
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,079
was raped by a reptilian data set you

1278
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:36,319
know you can you can kind of pick here

1279
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:39,280
and there but there's there's data there

1280
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:40,240
yes

1281
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,200
that's right um i i've hinted at this a

1282
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:45,440
little bit on our discord everything but

1283
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,319
one point that i've made is that when

1284
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,480
when we're talking about

1285
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,400
how the government has

1286
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,480
exploited anything let's say that

1287
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:57,119
they've learned from the phenomenon

1288
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,720
most often

1289
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:00,960
almost entirely the focus is on

1290
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,440
aerospace applications we see oh you

1291
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,520
know we can we gain a better propulsion

1292
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:07,040
system or

1293
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:11,119
those lines and i'm and i'm constantly

1294
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:14,000
telling people what makes you think that

1295
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:15,520
the application

1296
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:18,400
yeah the a of their technology of this

1297
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:20,480
advanced degree is limited to those type

1298
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:24,240
of mechanical devices just consider

1299
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,200
their ability to manipulate mankind

1300
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,040
their ability to

1301
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:31,440
play with your emotions to play with

1302
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,319
your

1303
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:34,000
thoughts to

1304
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:35,680
affect you know

1305
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:37,839
we've we've again we've gone into this

1306
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:40,160
quite a bit in the series of how

1307
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:42,319
people have lost their lives because

1308
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:45,440
they believe in this stuff so much

1309
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:47,760
and what is it play what mechanisms are

1310
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:50,160
at play that leads to that kind of

1311
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:53,040
control over somebody's actions

1312
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:54,560
where they would actually

1313
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:57,200
give up their life for because something

1314
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:59,839
told them they had to do something

1315
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:01,839
think of the military applications for

1316
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,400
such technology

1317
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:05,920
yeah and then there's the you know the

1318
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:07,280
we went through many accounts of people

1319
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:09,040
getting what i guess you would call

1320
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:11,119
downloads like flashes of information

1321
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:13,359
that lead it lead to patents

1322
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:15,040
you know how often is that happening are

1323
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:17,200
would would you know would a government

1324
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,400
organization

1325
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:20,240
find out about that say well this is

1326
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:22,720
really possible and then can we

1327
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:25,359
learn how to make it take place

1328
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,880
of course they would

1329
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,920
you know

1330
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:29,680
seeking secret information there well i

1331
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,880
want to turn this around on you alex

1332
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:32,319
where are you going where is your mind

1333
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,599
going with all this you've listened to

1334
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,760
all the episodes you've you've dove into

1335
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:37,680
this topic and you're also done a lot of

1336
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,160
research on evil and consciousness what

1337
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:42,480
do you think is going on

1338
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:44,079
well you know you know what i i would

1339
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:46,480
just pick up on what we're saying and i

1340
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,079
i appreciate that you guys are willing

1341
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:50,160
to kind of speculate and go those places

1342
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,359
because to me

1343
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:53,119
those are some of the best moments in

1344
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,359
this series when we kind of hear you

1345
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,359
guys kind of playing around with these

1346
00:48:02,069 --> 00:47:59,359
different positions because that's what

1347
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:02,079
i think we're all doing in our head and

1348
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:03,440
one of the places that i take it

1349
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,960
recently is

1350
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:06,640
and it's kind of hard it's hard for even

1351
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:07,440
me

1352
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:09,760
to do and and you touched on it a little

1353
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:11,680
bit russ is that

1354
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:13,440
what if you were to really be

1355
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,160
machiavellian and put yourself in their

1356
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,480
position and say okay look

1357
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:20,400
here's the way this thing plays out

1358
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:22,000
number one we gotta have a one world

1359
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:23,920
government i mean it just doesn't make

1360
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,720
sense 140 you know these little tribes

1361
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,720
running around doing all their own thing

1362
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,839
it just

1363
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:32,000
big scheme we've seen how the galaxy

1364
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,119
works out

1365
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:35,040
doesn't work out that way and then the

1366
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:38,000
next thing you'd say is you know

1367
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:40,960
we're kind of got a lot of people here

1368
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:42,640
and some of them

1369
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,520
maybe we don't need quite as much of

1370
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:47,280
that

1371
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,319
do you kind of again just naturally fall

1372
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:52,000
into okay well what can i do i can

1373
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:53,920
provide them these services i can

1374
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,000
provide them health water this and that

1375
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,000
i can provide them money

1376
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,319
what if there were just fewer of them

1377
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,040
that i had to do that for kind of thing

1378
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:05,359
so i think if you take that line of

1379
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,480
reasoning really far and take it beyond

1380
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:10,720
the u.s survey and the flag and the

1381
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:13,200
stuff like that and you put it on that

1382
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,160
level of an e.t perspective and you have

1383
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:18,000
multiple et's

1384
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:19,520
species

1385
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:22,559
agendas in your head i think it's really

1386
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,520
easy to come to a lot of places where it

1387
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:27,760
wouldn't even sound evil it would sound

1388
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,800
like the greater good yeah yeah that

1389
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:32,559
makes me think of to the you know the

1390
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,359
aspect of this that is that starts

1391
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:38,160
merging into the angels and demons

1392
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:39,680
side of things

1393
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:41,920
as far back as you go in the ancient

1394
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:44,160
text there is a policy on one side of

1395
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:45,440
less humans

1396
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:48,800
that's right one side or another right

1397
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:50,800
i mean one of the oldest stories is like

1398
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,440
the these two main guys in key and in

1399
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:55,359
lille and in lille

1400
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,240
is just like yeah kill kill most of them

1401
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,319
and we just need a few slaves

1402
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,559
that's right so there's

1403
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:04,400
there's definitely that aspect and if it

1404
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:06,800
is connected

1405
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,079
then

1406
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:10,319
this is not all you know

1407
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:13,119
warm and fuzzy alien stuff it's a

1408
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:14,800
it's yeah it's not space brothers right

1409
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,119
yeah space bro and so he brings up enki

1410
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:19,280
and in lil and again you know a modern

1411
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,800
take on them might be that they were

1412
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:21,920
they're gods right they're

1413
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:23,280
extraterrestrial they're they're

1414
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:27,680
non-human and you have the same uh

1415
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,240
a lot of the very similar elements built

1416
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:32,160
into these guys there's the evil the

1417
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,839
controlling the sort of one world

1418
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:35,440
government like i'm in charge and then

1419
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:36,880
there's the trickster

1420
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:39,280
uh the beneficiary the one who gives

1421
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:40,880
technology to mankind we were just

1422
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:42,400
talking about people secretly giving

1423
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:44,079
technology to manchester united you know

1424
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:45,839
starting up secret brotherhoods and

1425
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:49,200
trying to trying to keep man uh out as

1426
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:50,559
as much as possible out from under the

1427
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:53,119
thumb of the in little side i mean the

1428
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,559
stories are all over the place so it

1429
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:56,400
seems like and this is another reason

1430
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:57,920
why i've been fascinated with it is it

1431
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,599
seems like

1432
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:01,440
i think marty is probably getting at

1433
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:04,000
this as well but it seems like this is

1434
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:05,599
part of who we are

1435
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,880
in the sense that we've been living with

1436
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:08,800
this phenomena since as far back as you

1437
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:11,280
care to go

1438
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:12,720
you know and we we have we have a

1439
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:15,040
civilization or a continuous line of

1440
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:16,640
civilizations that have been recording

1441
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:19,280
these stories but who i mean

1442
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,000
who knows how far back it goes hundreds

1443
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:24,240
of thousands of years maybe

1444
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:26,559
and it seems like maybe in the past they

1445
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,640
had a better grasp of what it was that

1446
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,720
was going on yeah because they don't

1447
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:32,480
they make no bones about who it was and

1448
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:34,079
what right you know what the deal is

1449
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:35,280
yeah there might have been a little less

1450
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:37,119
deception on the part of the phenomena

1451
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:39,119
in the past at some point

1452
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,880
yeah one real big

1453
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:42,960
stumbling block that we run into

1454
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:46,319
constantly is is the labels that we use

1455
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,359
uh you

1456
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:49,920
certain words automatically

1457
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:51,119
invoke

1458
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,160
you know thoughts of

1459
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:56,880
religious you know viewpoints and things

1460
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:58,559
like that so

1461
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:01,359
sometimes we're using a term that's

1462
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:03,200
really more of a placeholder not

1463
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,480
necessarily

1464
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:06,640
used in the context as it might be

1465
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:07,920
viewed from

1466
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:11,520
a particular religious standpoint or

1467
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:13,280
you know it

1468
00:52:16,829 --> 00:52:14,880
that's where the

1469
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:16,839
angel and demon

1470
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:19,440
uh labels come in

1471
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:20,800
um

1472
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:21,599
and

1473
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:23,760
we i'm sure you heard quite a bit of

1474
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:26,079
discussion about the uh the collins

1475
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:27,280
elite and

1476
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:28,720
this uh

1477
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:31,280
this cabal within the u.s government

1478
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,480
that uh is comprised of fundamentalist

1479
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:36,720
christians who think that this is all

1480
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,280
demonic and shouldn't be messed with and

1481
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,599
and i you know i've tried to provide a

1482
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,920
lot of information because

1483
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:45,520
i think

1484
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:47,200
it's possible

1485
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:49,200
you know we talk about these psyops

1486
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:50,559
right

1487
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:52,400
i think this group exists i think

1488
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:54,559
there's been enough reference to him to

1489
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:57,040
prove that there really is something to

1490
00:53:01,829 --> 00:52:59,599
this when you see how many programs have

1491
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:01,839
been shut down by this group

1492
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:04,559
but i think the tendency is to believe

1493
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:08,079
that oh these guys are just using their

1494
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:10,480
their religious beliefs to

1495
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:11,839
to

1496
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:16,400
information from the public but

1497
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:18,400
when you start looking at

1498
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,720
the descriptions used a lot of times

1499
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,480
like for example i recently saw an

1500
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,319
interview with brandon funeral the owner

1501
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:26,400
of skinwalker

1502
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,119
skinwalker wrench and he's describing

1503
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:31,280
some of the encounters

1504
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:32,400
and uh

1505
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:35,119
the interviewer asks how would you how

1506
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:37,520
would you describe this

1507
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:39,280
this intelligence

1508
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:40,559
and uh

1509
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,000
his responsible oh it's definitely

1510
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:44,960
malevolent you know it it it it has it's

1511
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:46,400
hostile and

1512
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,440
and you hear that over and over and over

1513
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,880
and you know i know

1514
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:53,280
i saw i i listened to grant cameron

1515
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:55,359
reese recently and he's talking about it

1516
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,800
and he goes you know

1517
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,240
when you look at

1518
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:00,480
the balance of it he goes i kind of side

1519
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:03,040
with those guys it it looks demonic you

1520
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,440
know and again i i think it's because

1521
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:07,680
when you hear that term

1522
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:10,160
demon or demon you automatically make

1523
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:12,800
the association with christianity or

1524
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:14,240
with religion

1525
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:17,520
maybe a demon is just a type of being

1526
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:21,119
it's maybe it's in its a belief system

1527
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:21,920
it's

1528
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:25,040
it doesn't have to be religious

1529
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:26,240
per se

1530
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:27,680
um

1531
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:29,760
and i think that

1532
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:32,800
i'll that that's true throughout

1533
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:35,119
our discussions in other words there

1534
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,319
does appear to be more than one party

1535
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,040
involved in whatever is

1536
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:43,520
manipulating mankind because we see you

1537
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:45,760
know where we kind of take the uh

1538
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,079
bramley-esque uh gods of eden

1539
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:50,720
perspective that we're all puppets on a

1540
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:53,440
string right now i i use this

1541
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:54,640
this uh

1542
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:56,400
thing i said that the guys got a kick

1543
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,640
out of i said the last thing the

1544
00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:00,319
government wants the public to believe

1545
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:02,480
is that jiminy cricket is real

1546
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:05,200
right that we actually have this little

1547
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:07,440
voice talking to us or

1548
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:09,280
guiding us right

1549
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:10,079
and

1550
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:11,760
i think that

1551
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:13,599
those type of

1552
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:16,799
beliefs tend to lean in the direction of

1553
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:19,280
organized religion but

1554
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:21,119
i don't know that that necessarily they

1555
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:22,880
don't have to in other words there can

1556
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:23,839
be

1557
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:26,160
just like a a government might have the

1558
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:27,920
ability to influence

1559
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:30,160
your your thought processes

1560
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:32,079
maybe another intelligence has the

1561
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:34,799
ability to do the same you know i just

1562
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:36,559
published an interview with a guy named

1563
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:39,359
dr bob davis and terrific guy super

1564
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,400
smart

1565
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:42,640
well credentialed academic background

1566
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:44,319
before he got into but he's had an

1567
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:46,880
encounter and he was part of the free

1568
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:48,400
organization when they did that big

1569
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:49,520
survey

1570
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,440
of contactees

1571
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:53,200
and the headline that they always lead

1572
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:54,640
with i'm really surprised here grant

1573
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,720
cameron i i'm sure he had

1574
00:56:03,510 --> 00:55:58,880
the other part of that because grant is

1575
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:06,150
but the data and i really pushed bob on

1576
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,359
this and he

1577
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:09,599
he really stood up and said no i know

1578
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,079
this science and the data is

1579
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:14,160
solid the way that we've collected it

1580
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:16,720
and 80 percent of people

1581
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:19,040
view their experiences positive and

1582
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:21,440
there's a lot of that it lines up with

1583
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:23,520
positive near-death experiences and

1584
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:26,240
spiritually transformative experiences

1585
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:27,839
and i don't know quite what to make of

1586
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:29,599
that and i don't know if the data really

1587
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:32,319
is solid but i'm not i i don't want to

1588
00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:33,040
go

1589
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,119
all the demonic thing and the negative

1590
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:37,440
thing because there's also again this

1591
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:39,440
data that's coming back and saying

1592
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:40,400
that's

1593
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:42,160
just like down here you know most the

1594
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:44,720
people you meet are pretty freaking cool

1595
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:45,760
and wanna

1596
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:48,160
raise a good family and live a good life

1597
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:50,559
and be good each other it's only a small

1598
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:52,160
percent that are really kind of messed

1599
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:54,079
up but i tell you

1600
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:55,280
before we run out of time because

1601
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:56,559
there's so many topics we could talk

1602
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:59,520
about i i want to shift gears and i want

1603
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:00,640
to make sure we talk about this one

1604
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:02,319
other thing i'm super interested in and

1605
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:04,400
it always seems to come up

1606
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:07,440
in this dialogue and i i would put the

1607
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:08,319
word

1608
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:11,359
singularity to it and whenever we think

1609
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:12,960
of singularity you know we always think

1610
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,240
of

1611
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:16,480
the the technology you know and our

1612
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:18,160
computer's going to be so smart and the

1613
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:19,520
ai and all that

1614
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:21,839
and that's one part of it but the other

1615
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:24,880
part of the singularity is like the

1616
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,280
genetic singularity like are we at a

1617
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:29,760
point where we're now able to manipulate

1618
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:32,000
the genome in the same way that it looks

1619
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:34,559
like et has been manipulating the genome

1620
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:36,079
and are we reaching some kind of

1621
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:38,079
crossover point with there so are we

1622
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,079
reaching our crossover point with ai are

1623
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:42,400
we reaching a crossover point with

1624
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:44,480
genetics are we reaching a crossover

1625
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:45,839
point with

1626
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:47,440
we don't know what to call it in terms

1627
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:49,599
of spiritual and this

1628
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:51,760
extended consciousness you know screen

1629
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:53,359
memory and stuff like that that

1630
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:54,480
technology

1631
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:56,400
and does that put us

1632
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:57,839
and i always hesitate to say this

1633
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:00,079
because it sounds so hokey are we at a

1634
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:02,079
special point in time

1635
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:04,000
where we're kind of

1636
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:07,040
heading towards this crossover where

1637
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:08,240
we're going to be thinking about this

1638
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:09,119
stuff

1639
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:10,720
totally differently because we're going

1640
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:12,640
to be able to do it ourselves and is

1641
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:15,359
that part of what's

1642
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:18,480
cooking up here and why this is so

1643
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,799
relevant to us right now

1644
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:22,400
i have a different take on this i'll let

1645
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:24,480
the guys

1646
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:27,599
their vision first well i yeah that so

1647
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:29,280
the genetic and technological singular

1648
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:31,119
you know i don't know i've i've i've

1649
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,280
thought about this quite a bit and i

1650
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:35,520
understand the concept

1651
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,559
uh

1652
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:38,799
the the question you asked like are we

1653
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:41,440
at a special point in history i

1654
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:42,960
i have been thinking about that recently

1655
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:45,440
too kyle and i just finished doing um

1656
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:46,640
we just finished going through the

1657
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,640
character of physical law by by richard

1658
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:50,640
feynman and he says in one of his

1659
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:53,520
lectures there that we are in a special

1660
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:55,119
point in history in his mind because the

1661
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:56,720
kind of discovery that's happened in

1662
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:58,720
physics during his lifetime

1663
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:00,640
is not something that can continue

1664
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:01,839
forever

1665
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:03,040
uh

1666
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:04,880
and we live in the middle of it and

1667
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:06,079
that's kind of a special thing it's sort

1668
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:07,440
of like you know just it's sort of like

1669
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:08,799
the exploration of the world you can

1670
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:10,319
only do it once

1671
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:12,400
so is it a special time and then the

1672
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:13,599
other question of course that comes to

1673
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:15,760
my mind and i'm not i know i sound like

1674
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,799
i'm getting far away from what you're

1675
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:18,720
talking about alex but i'll get back to

1676
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:19,520
it is

1677
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:21,920
is have we done this before

1678
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:23,839
you know because our our podcast focuses

1679
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:26,160
on ancient mysteries and to me i have

1680
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:27,599
wondered you know humans have been

1681
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:30,160
around 400 000 years at least

1682
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:32,079
how many times has this happened have we

1683
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:34,559
gone through singularities before is is

1684
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,559
our is the fact that when we look back

1685
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:38,480
in history and we see like this the

1686
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:40,640
civilization seems to disappear around 6

1687
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:42,000
000 years ago

1688
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,599
uh but there's indications that maybe

1689
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:45,280
it's been around longer have we gone

1690
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:46,559
through singularities before that have

1691
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:48,079
been destructive to us you know and we

1692
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:49,280
know that there have been

1693
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:51,119
uh catastrophic destructions of the of

1694
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:52,559
the planet in terms of climate like the

1695
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:54,960
younger dryas so has this happened to us

1696
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:57,599
before is it a special place is there

1697
01:00:02,630 --> 00:59:59,599
such a thing as a singularity and can it

1698
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:02,640
can it result in either a brand new you

1699
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:05,359
know brave new world uh in a good way or

1700
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:07,520
a bad way uh i don't know

1701
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:08,640
but

1702
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:10,960
i do wonder if there's some connection

1703
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:13,119
with

1704
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:15,599
ah there okay i'll tie this back again

1705
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:17,440
to enki and in lil and what you were

1706
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:19,359
saying about the the possibility of evil

1707
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:22,000
being involved with this the in lil

1708
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:24,799
in lil had his followers

1709
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:27,040
you know and you just wonder like why

1710
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,480
would you follow that guy the one who

1711
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:30,400
wanted to kill off humans but he had his

1712
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:32,480
followers he was a powerful god

1713
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:34,079
and uh you know and he's basically in

1714
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:35,760
charge of the government in those

1715
01:00:40,829 --> 01:00:38,079
stories right so inky is always the guy

1716
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:40,839
in the background so yes in lil has his

1717
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,760
followers and

1718
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:46,240
the phenomena that seems to evolve with

1719
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:47,119
us

1720
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:52,720
is it a giant control mechanism to keep

1721
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:55,040
those singularities from taking place or

1722
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:56,880
to germinate them so that they do take

1723
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:58,960
place because it causes a collapse

1724
01:01:02,549 --> 01:01:00,400
these are the ways i think about that

1725
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:02,559
question

1726
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:05,680
that's pretty good you you got me there

1727
01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:07,599
that's a good one he got me too i don't

1728
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:08,480
know

1729
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:10,160
phenomenal that was phenomenal it really

1730
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:10,960
was

1731
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,640
well thank you

1732
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:14,640
yeah i don't i

1733
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:15,760
i haven't really thought about that

1734
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:17,359
question that you're pointing out though

1735
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:18,960
um

1736
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:20,079
but i

1737
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:23,280
i just i'm not sure that we're there yet

1738
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:24,799
um

1739
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,400
and i i'm kind of

1740
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:28,640
skeptical about the idea that uh let's

1741
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:30,960
say we create you know artificial

1742
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:32,960
intelligence or whatever or maybe we

1743
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:35,200
discover all the laws of physics

1744
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:37,200
i don't think that this is

1745
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:39,520
a bad thing necessarily i don't i'm

1746
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:41,839
actually more on the

1747
01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:44,400
like not on the negative side of of

1748
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:45,920
artificial intelligence i don't think

1749
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:47,040
we're gonna

1750
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:48,880
build like giant armies of robots that

1751
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:50,319
are gonna be like okay these guys suck

1752
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:52,240
and then wipe us out like it's just i

1753
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:53,280
don't know

1754
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:56,400
i don't see it going that way um

1755
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:57,280
but

1756
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:58,480
thinking of

1757
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:01,520
i can only think of the the demonic side

1758
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:02,640
here

1759
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,480
of this you know going back to the ufo

1760
01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:06,720
phenomena that if they're seeing us make

1761
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:08,799
rapid advancements and being able to

1762
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:10,960
achieve there's something i'd have to

1763
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:13,039
bring up the ancient texts as well

1764
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:15,680
in these destructive events and in and

1765
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:17,280
i'll just use the tower of babel for

1766
01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:20,720
example the reason the gods destroy

1767
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:22,960
the tower is because

1768
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:25,280
humanity is about to discover something

1769
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:27,200
and the reason the gods say is that they

1770
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:29,119
will then become like us

1771
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:31,359
yes so i can't

1772
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:33,680
think too much about the space brothers

1773
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:35,280
aspect of this

1774
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:38,000
in that scenario it seems like yes the

1775
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:39,119
point is

1776
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:41,200
destroy them right before they get to

1777
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:43,200
that point where they become like that

1778
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:45,039
like us so

1779
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:47,280
um yeah that's a great point too yes if

1780
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:49,920
that's not really going on

1781
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:51,599
i don't know why those stories are there

1782
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:53,280
but they are there and they're they've

1783
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:55,200
always fascinated me in the ancient

1784
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:58,720
texts these these times of destruction

1785
01:03:02,069 --> 01:03:00,079
um

1786
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:02,079
and why it seems always to be the same

1787
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:03,280
thing

1788
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:06,240
we will become like them

1789
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:08,240
all right marty you know you're you're

1790
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:09,760
we know you're waiting there in the

1791
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:10,880
wings

1792
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:13,920
well i again i look at things i try to

1793
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:14,960
look at things from different

1794
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:16,400
perspectives and

1795
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:17,680
that question

1796
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:19,920
in my mind raises a different question

1797
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:22,079
and it's

1798
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:25,280
is consciousness or spirituality unique

1799
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:26,319
to

1800
01:03:29,829 --> 01:03:28,960
mankind

1801
01:03:31,029 --> 01:03:29,839
does

1802
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:31,039
et

1803
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,240
have consciousness spirituality

1804
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:36,480
because if they do and what we're

1805
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:38,720
talking about is

1806
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:41,520
like in order us modifying our

1807
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:46,319
our biology or dna or anything is is

1808
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:48,480
you know it's along the same lines of

1809
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:51,039
customizing your car

1810
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:52,319
right um

1811
01:03:56,309 --> 01:03:54,559
does your car get too good

1812
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:56,319
do you in other words

1813
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:57,200
is

1814
01:04:01,750 --> 01:03:59,520
that the driver

1815
01:04:04,270 --> 01:04:01,760
is the car the driver or you the driver

1816
01:04:07,029 --> 01:04:04,280
and so i don't know how

1817
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:07,039
fundamentally important it is in the

1818
01:04:14,069 --> 01:04:09,280
grand scheme of things maybe that's the

1819
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:14,079
way things are supposed to be um

1820
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:15,119
i

1821
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:25,359
for many reasons

1822
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:26,880
not the least of which is personal

1823
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:28,319
experience

1824
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:30,400
and it's not anything i ever talk about

1825
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:32,960
on the show or anything but i have my

1826
01:04:38,789 --> 01:04:36,400
reasons for being on this journey and i

1827
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:38,799
have my reasons for searching for

1828
01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:41,359
answers and for making some of these

1829
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:43,359
connections that don't necessarily seem

1830
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:45,119
like this

1831
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:46,160
so

1832
01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:49,200
i i you know i i can't i can

1833
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:52,000
say that yeah i have concerns about

1834
01:04:55,829 --> 01:04:53,680
ai

1835
01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:55,839
but they're not

1836
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:58,559
they're not as big of a concern as

1837
01:05:01,829 --> 01:05:00,400
as when i see the

1838
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:01,839
the phenomenon

1839
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:03,280
being

1840
01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:05,920
such an integral part of

1841
01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:07,359
human history

1842
01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:10,160
that i cannot believe that it's not

1843
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:12,079
explored and not

1844
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:14,559
more well known

1845
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:18,400
you know by academics oh

1846
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:20,960
you know it's interesting because i uh i

1847
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:22,720
when i was interviewing whitley strieber

1848
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:24,559
i asked him kind of we're talking about

1849
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:27,119
all this stuff and then i got so how far

1850
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:30,160
away are they and i was talking about on

1851
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:31,760
this consciousness level because that's

1852
01:05:36,309 --> 01:05:34,319
what interests me the most too

1853
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:36,319
and his answer was instant like

1854
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:38,799
reflexive he goes oh they're right there

1855
01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:40,880
they are right there and that's the

1856
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:44,000
sense that i get to is that all the

1857
01:05:48,789 --> 01:05:46,160
bells and whistles about technology and

1858
01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:48,799
all the rest of that it's like no

1859
01:05:52,870 --> 01:05:50,720
they're right there working through the

1860
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:52,880
[\h__\h] the same way that we are and

1861
01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:54,640
they're facing the e they're facing

1862
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:56,880
their near-death experience life review

1863
01:06:01,510 --> 01:05:59,280
where they have to go oh gosh when i sat

1864
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:01,520
that one guy in his room man that was

1865
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:03,280
really cringe you know

1866
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:07,119
i that's that's kind of my my my take on

1867
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:09,280
it and you know i think of the feynman

1868
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,680
you know feynman's famous for saying

1869
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:13,680
that there's plenty of room at the

1870
01:06:18,029 --> 01:06:16,319
bottom you know because uh that's kind

1871
01:06:21,109 --> 01:06:18,039
of what he was all about and the

1872
01:06:23,349 --> 01:06:21,119
nanotechnology and all that risk that

1873
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:23,359
i wonder if spiritually there isn't

1874
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:25,039
plenty of room at the top

1875
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:26,720
and by that i mean if you look at the

1876
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:28,319
accounts of where

1877
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:31,039
consciousness like i'm not religious but

1878
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:32,559
if you just look at the accounts like

1879
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:34,319
the near death experience accounts you

1880
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:36,319
look at the lbe account shamanic

1881
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:37,680
accounts you guys have pulled a lot of

1882
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:40,160
this stuff into this into this series

1883
01:06:44,309 --> 01:06:42,240
but there's all these levels of

1884
01:06:45,910 --> 01:06:44,319
consciousness and they keep going higher

1885
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:45,920
and higher and higher and we haven't

1886
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:48,640
even begun to understand and can't

1887
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:51,680
pretend we understand so maybe we are in

1888
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:55,760
this very kind of fish bullish kind of

1889
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:57,440
levels where we think there's all these

1890
01:07:02,470 --> 01:06:59,760
levels but there's plenty of room above

1891
01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:02,480
that where we're mind-blown kind of

1892
01:07:07,029 --> 01:07:04,640
thing

1893
01:07:08,950 --> 01:07:07,039
yeah it's cool i i also yeah and that

1894
01:07:11,349 --> 01:07:08,960
makes me think of

1895
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:11,359
is it us at the top on the other side

1896
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:13,039
you know because i know you've alex

1897
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:14,160
you've interviewed so many people and

1898
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:16,319
you've done so much so many great shows

1899
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:18,000
on this on this concept of you know that

1900
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:19,440
the near death experiences and what

1901
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:20,880
happens to people

1902
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:21,680
and

1903
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:23,359
what if all of this interaction that

1904
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:25,200
we're having is just with ourselves in

1905
01:07:29,829 --> 01:07:27,440
some way or another you know whatever it

1906
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:29,839
is that we are when we're not here

1907
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:30,960
you know and that's another thing that

1908
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:32,720
you can find in ancient texts and plenty

1909
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:33,920
of different religions and everything

1910
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:37,680
like this this idea that there is this

1911
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:39,119
hierarchy

1912
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:40,960
you know are you a simulation theory guy

1913
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:43,119
are you uh welcome open to the

1914
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:45,839
simulation theory i mean i we discuss it

1915
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:47,359
you know but i'm not i don't know if i

1916
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:49,119
would buy it but yeah it's an

1917
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:50,559
interesting idea what do you think

1918
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:52,559
you're in the simulation

1919
01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:55,359
are you a simulation guy i i don't know

1920
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:57,440
i can't i can't go there kyle how about

1921
01:08:01,430 --> 01:08:00,000
you i'm i'm just i'm like look if it's a

1922
01:08:03,029 --> 01:08:01,440
simulation we still got to figure out

1923
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:03,039
how the damn thing works so i don't

1924
01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:05,520
really care i just i think it's silly

1925
01:08:08,549 --> 01:08:07,359
it's like kicking the can down the road

1926
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:08,559
to me

1927
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:10,799
yeah i mean that's yeah the question is

1928
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:12,160
what do they mean by simulation is it

1929
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:14,240
like a game somebody's running and if so

1930
01:08:18,309 --> 01:08:16,400
then you're you're still in in it and

1931
01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:18,319
you got to figure it out right yeah

1932
01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:19,279
yeah

1933
01:08:23,829 --> 01:08:21,040
but i don't think near death experiences

1934
01:08:26,149 --> 01:08:23,839
simula are uh they don't seem to be like

1935
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:26,159
uh waking up in the gaming chair

1936
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:28,080
you know it's something else right it's

1937
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:29,920
it isn't like that they go into some

1938
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:31,839
place and then they're remembering

1939
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:33,839
that they've had many lives or something

1940
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:35,040
that they're there there's something

1941
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,799
they're a part of some something much

1942
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:38,400
larger and that's what i mean is the

1943
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:39,759
phenomena that we've been talking about

1944
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:42,239
this a lot of this uh angels and demons

1945
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:44,319
and you know the interactions is it

1946
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:45,359
really with

1947
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:48,480
that part of the universe

1948
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:50,080
marty if you had to guess where do you

1949
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:53,199
think this phenomenon sits

1950
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:55,600
in this hierarchy of consciousness kind

1951
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:58,719
of thing are they at the top

1952
01:09:01,749 --> 01:09:00,080
i think there's

1953
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:01,759
i kind of follow the model of the chain

1954
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:02,799
of being

1955
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:04,960
where it's the phenomenon

1956
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:07,440
is represents

1957
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:10,799
multiple links within this chain we're

1958
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:12,000
in the chain

1959
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:14,880
but there are other links above us

1960
01:09:19,709 --> 01:09:18,080
and that might explain why

1961
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:19,719
there are different

1962
01:09:24,309 --> 01:09:22,319
manifestations um and i'm when i say

1963
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:24,319
that i'm not talking about oh there's

1964
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:26,719
the reptilian and the great that's not

1965
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:28,880
at all what i mean what i mean is

1966
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:30,640
there are

1967
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:33,600
non-physical aspects and physical

1968
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:35,359
aspects and

1969
01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:37,120
these might be

1970
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:40,319
characteristics of different lakes

1971
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:43,520
um you know as far as the simulation

1972
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:45,839
theory side of it i think that

1973
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:47,839
i tend to view us

1974
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,960
from uh

1975
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:50,400
i guess from a consciousness

1976
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:52,239
spirituality

1977
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:53,359
aspect

1978
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:55,199
or perspective

1979
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:57,360
i think we're more

1980
01:10:01,590 --> 01:09:59,120
i see rather than seeing it as a

1981
01:10:03,430 --> 01:10:01,600
simulation i think maybe it's like the

1982
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:03,440
universe

1983
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:06,480
uh manifesting a physical representation

1984
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:07,199
to

1985
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:08,880
experience itself

1986
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:11,760
we're all part of the same thing

1987
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,800
it's not here for our entertainment

1988
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:16,640
or someone else's entertainment i think

1989
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:17,520
it's

1990
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:20,560
a function of evolution

1991
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:22,640
you know uh one last thing i just throw

1992
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:24,640
on the table on that you know i was

1993
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:27,600
talking to through email robert hastings

1994
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:30,400
the guy who did the ufo nuke stuff

1995
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:33,280
phenomenal work 40 years collected all

1996
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:36,400
this data all these guys he interviewed

1997
01:10:39,669 --> 01:10:37,840
and a lot of people don't know but he's

1998
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:39,679
an experiencer himself

1999
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:41,520
and he's you know the next generation

2000
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:43,600
experience or the multiple generation

2001
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:44,880
experience or his mother was an

2002
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:46,640
experiencer although she has kind of

2003
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:49,440
like shady memories or sketchy memories

2004
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:51,040
of it which is a whole other thing we

2005
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:52,560
could get into from the genetics

2006
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:54,400
standpoint too what does that mean and

2007
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:56,560
then the nolan stuff you guys there's

2008
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:57,920
like things you could talk about there's

2009
01:11:01,590 --> 01:11:00,560
science emerging science related to that

2010
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:01,600
now

2011
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:03,760
so i i asked

2012
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:05,600
hastings

2013
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:07,840
so the the the thing that's so cool

2014
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:11,600
about robert hastings is it kind of

2015
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:13,360
drives a stake in the ground

2016
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:16,560
e.t turned off the nukes right so we

2017
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:18,239
don't know how that's possible they're

2018
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:20,880
all separate turns off 10 nukes

2019
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:23,120
e.t goes to ukraine and we don't find

2020
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:25,199
this out until after the wall wall comes

2021
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:28,480
down e.t turned on the nukes over in the

2022
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:30,480
ukraine and then when i talked to

2023
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:32,960
hastings he said you know actually they

2024
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:34,960
also there's reports they turned them on

2025
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:36,400
here too so

2026
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:37,920
that's kind of

2027
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:40,560
so cross over now between the mind

2028
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:42,800
mental and the physical which you know

2029
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:44,719
really throws things you know boom

2030
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:45,840
they're doing it with their mind but

2031
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:47,040
they're also going to do it physically

2032
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:48,800
and they're reading the mind all this

2033
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:49,520
stuff

2034
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:50,880
but here's here's the guy i guess from

2035
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:52,800
barry in the lead

2036
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:56,560
i go you mentioned before 20 years ago

2037
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:59,199
you mentioned that you thought this was

2038
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:01,679
kind of space brothers like saying

2039
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:05,120
be careful with these weapons they could

2040
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:07,840
destroy you because i det i said i had

2041
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:10,080
to tech you have a different thing

2042
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:11,280
and he said

2043
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:14,239
yeah he says now i kind of see it as

2044
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:16,480
uh it's kind of in our mutual interest

2045
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:18,239
that you don't uh

2046
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:20,480
blow up this thing

2047
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:22,480
and i wonder

2048
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:24,159
how you guys

2049
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:26,640
unpack that because i think that's

2050
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:28,400
that's one of the threads that's coming

2051
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:29,920
through this is

2052
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:32,480
we're a lot closer to these

2053
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:33,520
others

2054
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:36,400
and we're kind of in the same boat yeah

2055
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:39,040
it's it's gonna answer that

2056
01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:40,480
well

2057
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:43,120
i have to bite my tongue a little bit

2058
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:44,960
why do you have it

2059
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:46,719
it would be nice to have more data like

2060
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:49,520
if you know they're working on fusion

2061
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:52,000
right as a power source it'd be

2062
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:54,000
interesting to find out if when they

2063
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:55,600
actually figure that out then it gets

2064
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:57,360
shut down or is that why we haven't

2065
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,960
figured it out yet

2066
01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:00,480
that could be another question there

2067
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:02,719
seems to be a problem when they

2068
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,080
when they're working on the fusion that

2069
01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:06,480
like the more energy they put in it

2070
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:08,800
suddenly starts getting cooler

2071
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:10,320
oh yeah like it's being stopped like

2072
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:12,320
what if it's being stopped on the

2073
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:15,280
individual experimental level

2074
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:16,960
um so that's weird i've never thought

2075
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:18,480
about that before but

2076
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:20,000
one really cool

2077
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:22,159
aspect of this interview

2078
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:24,560
is there's a very strange dichotomy here

2079
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:26,080
that

2080
01:13:30,830 --> 01:13:28,480
alex you've interviewed so many key

2081
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:30,840
players in this

2082
01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:32,560
that

2083
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:40,800
i have not had direct communication with

2084
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:43,360
these people that you interview

2085
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:45,360
but i'm connecting the dots behind the

2086
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:47,679
scenes on all these yeah

2087
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:50,080
and there are individuals that you've

2088
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:52,800
interviewed that have provided clues to

2089
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:55,280
the question you just asked

2090
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:57,840
um and that's part of the presentation

2091
01:14:01,350 --> 01:13:58,880
i'm going to be

2092
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:01,360
trying not to be too evasive and trying

2093
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:03,280
to and at least provide some answer but

2094
01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:04,400
there's

2095
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:06,400
there may be

2096
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:10,000
understandable reasons for

2097
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:13,120
why we see certain actions like this

2098
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,400
and it's not and i can't say it's not

2099
01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:18,480
because we're destroying the planet

2100
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:20,000
that's that's the path of least

2101
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:22,159
resistance response there

2102
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:23,199
you know

2103
01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:24,159
are you

2104
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:29,360
our creator yes i am your creator uh are

2105
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:31,760
you uh are you here to save us yes i

2106
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:32,640
mean

2107
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:33,600
that's

2108
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:36,480
yet you look the apocalyptic visions go

2109
01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:38,800
back throughout history the those

2110
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:40,719
those same things that telling people

2111
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:42,640
now that were telling people 2 000 years

2112
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:45,679
ago 8 000 years ago that's not what it

2113
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:46,960
is there's

2114
01:14:51,510 --> 01:14:49,040
there's something else going on there

2115
01:14:54,149 --> 01:14:51,520
it's still it's a legitimate

2116
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:54,159
a legitimate reason and we might it's

2117
01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:00,390
yeah it's it

2118
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:02,560
i mean the you know one way to take that

2119
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:04,320
what you just said alex that it's like

2120
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:07,840
it's in our mutual best interest is

2121
01:15:11,350 --> 01:15:09,679
i mean a simple answer to that is that

2122
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:11,360
we're some kind of experiment and if we

2123
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:12,880
blow ourselves up they have to start

2124
01:15:16,709 --> 01:15:14,640
over i mean that's that's one possible

2125
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,719
you know they're like dang it

2126
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:18,480
not again right

2127
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:20,880
rats committed suicide guys we gotta

2128
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:22,239
start over

2129
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:24,480
just wasted ten thousand years

2130
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:26,640
yeah but you also can't overlook the

2131
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:28,640
fact that this reinforces the

2132
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:30,239
the idea that there's more than one

2133
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:31,199
party

2134
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:32,400
you know sure

2135
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:33,280
yeah

2136
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:35,520
it would seemingly appear that one party

2137
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:37,920
is providing us with knowledge on how to

2138
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:40,560
create certain technologies while the

2139
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:42,080
other side is trying to prevent us from

2140
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:44,239
blowing ourselves up right

2141
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:45,840
again it goes back to the inky and

2142
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:47,360
inline you know one is giving knowledge

2143
01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:49,120
and the other was always mad that they

2144
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:51,040
seem to have this information and then

2145
01:15:53,910 --> 01:15:52,560
they want to sit like let's wipe the

2146
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:53,920
slate clean

2147
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:55,679
you know so turning them on and turning

2148
01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:56,800
them off

2149
01:16:01,510 --> 01:15:59,760
uh i also um i'm a huge fan of science

2150
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:01,520
fiction i've read thousands of sci-fi

2151
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:03,840
books and there's plenty of you know

2152
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:05,520
just just i know it's fiction but

2153
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:08,400
there's plenty of ideas about how what

2154
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:10,480
exactly would be the scenario if we end

2155
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:12,320
up interacting with some kind of

2156
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:13,600
extraterrestrial and one thing they

2157
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:14,960
would want to do is find out the level

2158
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:16,560
of our technology and they'd play with

2159
01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:18,239
it turn it on and turn it off whether

2160
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:19,840
they're interested in us destroying

2161
01:16:23,830 --> 01:16:22,000
ourselves or not doesn't matter but yeah

2162
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:23,840
you want to find out

2163
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:25,520
you know what is what exactly is the

2164
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:27,600
what what what are they doing here and

2165
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:30,000
can we manipulate it you know or maybe

2166
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:31,920
you're just trying to scare them

2167
01:16:35,669 --> 01:16:33,600
if you're the aliens you know turn it on

2168
01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:35,679
turn it off freak them out it's part of

2169
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:37,600
the it's part of the whole operation do

2170
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:40,080
you guys know the brandenburg research

2171
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:42,320
john brandenburg the physicist really

2172
01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:44,800
brilliant guy he's not fake at all

2173
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:49,280
the nuclear weapons signature from mars

2174
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:53,199
150 000 years so yes that would play

2175
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:54,640
into its

2176
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:56,480
you know they kind of know what they

2177
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:58,400
kind of know what these things do you

2178
01:17:04,870 --> 01:16:59,760
know yes

2179
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:05,990
as well

2180
01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:06,960
and his

2181
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:08,719
what he saw

2182
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:11,120
oh yeah that's right yes and then but

2183
01:17:14,950 --> 01:17:12,960
back to your point marty you know just

2184
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:14,960
again toss another little tidbit on the

2185
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:16,320
table because in the near death

2186
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:17,360
experience

2187
01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:19,040
community there's a guy named kenneth

2188
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,239
ring i don't know if you guys have ever

2189
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:22,080
heard of him but

2190
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:23,360
he did

2191
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:24,960
and he kind of dabbled in he crossed

2192
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:26,719
over and got into the abduction thing

2193
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:29,199
too and eta experience but he had a

2194
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:33,520
bunch of people back in 1988 who were

2195
01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:37,280
nd ears and were predicting the

2196
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:39,440
kind of environmental catastrophe and

2197
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:41,760
they were all prophesizing about things

2198
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:44,480
and stuff like that again folks we're

2199
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:47,280
talking about this nine part series and

2200
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:48,800
marty's already tipping his hand he's

2201
01:17:54,149 --> 01:17:52,000
got part 10 and 11 right there ready to

2202
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:54,159
come out so stick around for this

2203
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:56,000
because you you the questions we haven't

2204
01:18:01,110 --> 01:17:58,560
answered will be answered on brothers of

2205
01:18:02,630 --> 01:18:01,120
the serpent no answers no episode

2206
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:02,640
episode 10 is going to be titled we'll

2207
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:05,440
be getting to that later

2208
01:18:11,310 --> 01:18:09,040
great so

2209
01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:11,320
again the trickster thing you know

2210
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:14,560
prophesizing about stuff that you know

2211
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:15,920
doesn't come true i love the way you

2212
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:17,360
guys put it you know like oh yeah is it

2213
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:18,960
that oh yeah what's that

2214
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:21,120
oh yeah it's whatever it is yes that's

2215
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:23,520
right and and they they'll do this thing

2216
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:25,120
where it's they make some prophecies

2217
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:26,400
that do come true

2218
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:28,320
exactly and then they make the big one

2219
01:18:32,550 --> 01:18:30,560
that the person publicizes and that one

2220
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:32,560
completely fails and it's like you see

2221
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:34,640
this pattern like what

2222
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:36,560
is the purpose of that you know what is

2223
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:38,239
the whole point of it

2224
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:41,840
another thing i've thought about is if

2225
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:43,360
and this is a this is a hugely

2226
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:45,920
speculative question but if

2227
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:48,159
all of these accounts seem to indicate

2228
01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:50,080
that we are being

2229
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:52,239
visited by or manipulated by however you

2230
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:54,480
want to put it some kind of very

2231
01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:55,920
powerful

2232
01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:57,840
something that we we basically can't

2233
01:19:01,350 --> 01:19:00,000
understand at all it may be beyond our

2234
01:19:02,950 --> 01:19:01,360
ability to understand it at this point

2235
01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:02,960
even though people are working on it

2236
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:04,000
maybe there are some people that do

2237
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:05,840
understand it but the point is that it's

2238
01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:07,679
very far beyond us

2239
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:09,360
how much of what we see about the

2240
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:11,520
universe can even be trusted

2241
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:12,640
you know and i'm talking about

2242
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:14,800
cosmological observations

2243
01:19:18,470 --> 01:19:16,719
what if the

2244
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:18,480
so much of our of our current

2245
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:20,400
understanding about physics

2246
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:22,719
has come from looking out in space and

2247
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:24,480
observing stars and looking at

2248
01:19:28,229 --> 01:19:26,719
interactions between objects out there

2249
01:19:30,229 --> 01:19:28,239
and if you were interested in keeping

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01:19:32,390 --> 01:19:30,239
the human race from making certain kinds

2251
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:32,400
of advancements and you have the ability

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01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:33,360
to

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01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:36,400
make people see or not see what you want

2254
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:37,840
and how can we trust any of our

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01:19:41,030 --> 01:19:39,679
observations about what's going on i

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01:19:42,630 --> 01:19:41,040
mean

2257
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:42,640
would could they be manipulating our

2258
01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:46,320
science at that level is what i'm asking

2259
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:47,920
yeah well i mean as kyle pointed out i

2260
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:50,239
mean it's a contemplate and i hadn't

2261
01:19:53,110 --> 01:19:51,280
thought of it but i think it's an

2262
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:53,120
interesting place to go

2263
01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:55,520
down to the level of the experiment you

2264
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:58,159
know forget the whole thing down to oh

2265
01:20:02,310 --> 01:19:59,760
wait a minute that guy over there is

2266
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:02,320
starting to do this on his experiment

2267
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:05,120
let's you know you gotta throw that as a

2268
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:07,199
that's right keep it from working yeah

2269
01:20:10,709 --> 01:20:09,199
some of these guys perhaps were

2270
01:20:12,629 --> 01:20:10,719
overlooked

2271
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:12,639
and they found out certain things before

2272
01:20:20,310 --> 01:20:13,360
the

2273
01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:20,320
this guy had invented this thing and it

2274
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:21,600
this is how it worked and then it just

2275
01:20:24,870 --> 01:20:23,120
vanishes and then everybody's trying to

2276
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:24,880
remake it but they're like nope nope

2277
01:20:28,709 --> 01:20:27,199
yeah yeah make sure it never works again

2278
01:20:31,030 --> 01:20:28,719
yes

2279
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:31,040
so you end up with a cold fusion effect

2280
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:33,440
well you guys this has been so so

2281
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:36,480
awesome uh marty okay spill the beans

2282
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:37,920
what's coming up

2283
01:20:42,629 --> 01:20:39,840
part ten

2284
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:42,639
oh man i've been working on this one for

2285
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:45,600
oh points probably seven months now yeah

2286
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:48,000
i have to give him time sometimes yeah a

2287
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:51,280
lot of well see they have their uh back

2288
01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:53,520
to pyramids proud that that's right it's

2289
01:20:57,189 --> 01:20:54,800
upset when we

2290
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:57,199
put too many ufos you know episodes

2291
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:58,880
together stick to the pyramids crowd

2292
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:00,480
yeah they get they get pretty they get

2293
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:02,400
pretty uh aggressive

2294
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:05,600
yeah so we try to sprinkle in the ufo

2295
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:06,719
stuff and

2296
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:08,880
it you know i admittedly it can get

2297
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:11,760
pretty fringy um but

2298
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:14,800
um i try to bring it down to

2299
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:16,159
to

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01:21:24,629 --> 01:21:22,320
these next couple episodes are very uh

2301
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:24,639
data driven there's a lot of uh

2302
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:27,040
substantiating documentation from a lot

2303
01:21:30,629 --> 01:21:28,400
of the stuff i'm going to be presenting

2304
01:21:33,510 --> 01:21:30,639
and it's going to be stuff that

2305
01:21:35,189 --> 01:21:33,520
you're pretty familiar with and then

2306
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:35,199
probably adding in some things you may

2307
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:37,199
not have heard about

2308
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:39,920
more recent revelations related to older

2309
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:46,950
but again sometimes when you look at

2310
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:47,760
them

2311
01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:50,239
individually they don't have they don't

2312
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:52,960
have quite the same significance as they

2313
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:55,120
do when you look at the

2314
01:21:59,189 --> 01:21:56,639
macro

2315
01:22:03,110 --> 01:21:59,199
um overview of the

2316
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:03,120
past century and see where developed

2317
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:04,320
developments

2318
01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:06,320
appeared to be going and

2319
01:22:11,110 --> 01:22:08,560
um that's a little that's probably about

2320
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:11,120
as much like oh i was being very being

2321
01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:14,960
very shady on that and hey kyle before

2322
01:22:19,990 --> 01:22:16,960
we before we do go

2323
01:22:23,110 --> 01:22:20,000
man you got excellent work with there it

2324
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:23,120
is i had to pull it up 50 dynasty

2325
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:25,440
tell folks about the band check it out

2326
01:22:28,709 --> 01:22:27,360
you'll hear the music if you listen to

2327
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:28,719
the show but

2328
01:22:32,629 --> 01:22:31,120
man great great work really really good

2329
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:32,639
i really appreciate that

2330
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:35,520
yeah so 50 dynasty is my band uh we've

2331
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:38,000
been together since i think

2332
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:41,440
was it 2007 or six or something like

2333
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:42,960
that it's been a long time we're good

2334
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:45,199
friends close friends and we've all got

2335
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:47,360
lives but we've been working on this

2336
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:49,840
project procession

2337
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:52,480
um for many years on the weekends and we

2338
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:54,800
just released it this past

2339
01:22:59,910 --> 01:22:58,480
uh solstice and it's a 12 song album

2340
01:23:02,310 --> 01:22:59,920
and it has

2341
01:23:05,189 --> 01:23:02,320
a lot of esoteric things put in it's

2342
01:23:05,910 --> 01:23:05,199
like kind of you know

2343
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:05,920
uh

2344
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:08,320
it's in the light of this all of these

2345
01:23:13,510 --> 01:23:10,560
mysteries that we've been digging into

2346
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:13,520
for many years on the podcast so

2347
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:15,040
you'll find a lot of that in there if

2348
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:16,000
you really

2349
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:18,320
pay attention and it's free and it is

2350
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:20,159
free it's also value for value that's

2351
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:21,920
right you know you can download it for

2352
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:23,679
free it's also out on streaming

2353
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:25,440
platforms everywhere but you can get it

2354
01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:28,560
from our website 50 dynasty.com

2355
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:30,320
i've listened it's phenomenal great i

2356
01:23:33,910 --> 01:23:32,159
mean it's incredible music is a whole

2357
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:33,920
other thing and like i have no talents

2358
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:34,800
when i

2359
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:36,239
hear people that are really telling i go

2360
01:23:40,870 --> 01:23:38,239
like how does that even

2361
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:40,880
work how do you do that you know

2362
01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:43,760
so lots of time

2363
01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:46,639
so this has been absolutely terrific uh

2364
01:23:51,430 --> 01:23:49,520
russ why don't you kind of take us out

2365
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:51,440
with maybe telling

2366
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:54,239
how this fits in with the larger project

2367
01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:55,520
because you guys are kidding around

2368
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:57,360
about the the pyramid stuff you guys

2369
01:24:02,709 --> 01:23:58,159
bring

2370
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:02,719
to that too and it it like i think

2371
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:05,199
people will pick up on it all along that

2372
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:07,040
is informing

2373
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:08,800
some of these discussions too in a way

2374
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:09,920
it's

2375
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:13,520
you've already brought it up on this

2376
01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:16,639
kind of grander scale time wise that

2377
01:24:20,950 --> 01:24:18,719
really you know you're not getting

2378
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:20,960
pulled into the lou elizondo stuff

2379
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:23,280
because you're going like

2380
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:25,440
oh i got thousands of years i got a

2381
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:26,800
process i'm not worried about this guy

2382
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:29,520
who just showed up two years ago

2383
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:31,440
that's right it is

2384
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:33,040
you're that's a great way to put it the

2385
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:33,760
the

2386
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:37,440
point of our podcast which was to

2387
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:39,360
explore ancient mysteries and human

2388
01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:42,960
history and the origins of ourselves

2389
01:24:48,149 --> 01:24:45,520
uh and of course also earth history and

2390
01:24:50,470 --> 01:24:48,159
everything else that i think i feel like

2391
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:50,480
this subject the ufo subject and of

2392
01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:51,600
course

2393
01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:55,199
in the broader sense evil itself uh

2394
01:24:59,910 --> 01:24:57,199
and consciousness

2395
01:25:01,590 --> 01:24:59,920
are all tied in like you can't you can't

2396
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:01,600
look at some of the ancient structures

2397
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:03,280
and these ancient civilizations and the

2398
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:04,800
texts that they left us and the

2399
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:06,320
buildings and the architecture that they

2400
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:07,440
left us

2401
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:09,040
or even how sometimes they seem to

2402
01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:12,159
spring out of nowhere with just there's

2403
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:13,760
nothing and then suddenly bam they're

2404
01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:16,320
building megalithic structures and

2405
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:18,719
inventing agriculture you know alongside

2406
01:25:22,229 --> 01:25:20,000
of it and mathematics and everything

2407
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:22,239
else you can think of that all of this

2408
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:25,600
ties in it's it's it's it's one thing

2409
01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:27,360
that you can really look at this as one

2410
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:29,840
subject or that they merge together but

2411
01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:32,880
yes the ancient civilization aspects

2412
01:25:37,030 --> 01:25:35,679
do and the ancient texts do uh help kyle

2413
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:37,040
and i take

2414
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:38,960
an interesting and fun view of the ufo

2415
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:40,960
subject because i do think it's ancient

2416
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:42,639
and so that's why every time we have

2417
01:25:46,229 --> 01:25:44,560
marty on i don't care what the stick to

2418
01:25:48,149 --> 01:25:46,239
the pyramids crowd thinks i think it's

2419
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:48,159
part of the same mystery

2420
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:49,600
so yeah and we're just giving those

2421
01:25:57,250 --> 01:25:51,920
people some flack yeah yeah not really

2422
01:26:03,510 --> 01:26:01,990
[Laughter]

2423
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:03,520
we've never said aliens built the

2424
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:06,880
pyramids but it's the same thing

2425
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,790
and it was us

2426
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:14,400
well thanks for having us on alex it was

2427
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:15,440
a blast

2428
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:18,480
oh thank you guys so much and uh

2429
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:20,480
can't wait can't wait for the next one

2430
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:22,800
keep up this awesome work that you guys

2431
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:26,000
are bringing forth to all of us

2432
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:28,320
thank you very much

2433
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:30,639
thanks again to russ and kyle and marty

2434
01:26:34,470 --> 01:26:32,880
for joining me today on skeptico

2435
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:34,480
the one question to tf from this

2436
01:26:40,229 --> 01:26:37,440
interview the big big big question is

2437
01:26:41,870 --> 01:26:40,239
what is the agenda

2438
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:41,880
what is this whole

2439
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:44,800
ufoet thing all about

2440
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:46,960
why settle for anything other than the

2441
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:48,880
big question

2442
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:50,719
let me know your thoughts jump on over

2443
01:26:54,870 --> 01:26:52,480
to the forum tell me over there reach

2444
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:54,880
out to me anyway you see fit

2445
01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:56,800
that's going to do it for this one

2446
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:58,239
until next time

2447
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:59,360
take care

2448
01:27:15,010 --> 01:27:01,440
bye for now